Pekka Pirilä | July 26, 2011 at 1:17 pm | Reply
The role of Saturn is important in the 60 year period, but the influence of
Saturn on the Sun is really minuscule. The long distance of the Saturn…
Distance of Saturn doesn’t really matter much, if you whish to consider that
there are effects different to gravitational one. I suggest have a careful look
at this NASA’s link:
Observe that a large fraction of the solar system, in its equatorial plane,
gets engulfed with the CME.
Underlining effects are close circuits (closing at the solar surface) of
magnetic field and electric currents. Both magnetic field and electric current
are partially short-circuited by the huge magnetospheres of both Jupiter and
Saturn (known as magnetic reconnection).
Every 19.859 years (Leohle and Scafetta -20years cycle) this short-circuiting
is particularly effective since both planets find themselves in the same
direction. Now imagine our little Earth zipping in between, its tiny magnetic
field gets zapped by these huge currents:
Heliosphere is highly squashed in the head on direction so the effectiveness of
the zap is far more severe when both Jupiter and Saturn find themselves in this
head on direction. This happens every 59.5 years (Leohle and Scafetta -60years
For more details see:
and effect on the climate at:
There is your mechanism.
Now lets there be peace among men!
I see that somebody started
What do you mean by
started? The hypothesis was formulated some two years ago, as an ego recovery
medicine, after the relentless ridicule by certain Dr.S of WUWT.
It could be a ‘decent effort’ but unfortunately it rests on a set of wobbly
Since then I waste my time with more realistic parameters.
Vuk at 3.07
That was a very nice
post. I look forward to your longer article on this fascinating subject.
Nice summary Vuk, and
very interesting research you’ve been doing. The geomag field clearly is linked
to the heliomag field, and so that supports your ideas about Jupiter and Saturn
too. The NOAA geomag data on you MF page resembles the solar activity of the
C20th too. Love that arctic temperature correlation.
Excellent. Very nice!.
Thank you. I had been thinking about magnetic fields but did not have
sufficient info on them.
Well, people need to
start from somewhere
I’ve been tryng to
persuade Vuk for some time to produce a longer article that puts his thoughts
into a considered and logical format. Perhaps you can try and persuade him
I think he is producing
some very interesting ideas that need to be properly tested and proven.
I think that I have
already told him to put his ideas in a decent format many times, as I usually
told to others like him.
However, an article
does not need to be long. He needs simply to start focusing on just one topic
he believes that he undesrtood well and can be well argued.
I would advice against
writing a long article that would bedifficult for him to properly handle.
Perhaps he could
benefit from a co-author Nicola.
I do not know the mechanism, but looks like an intersting finding
Thanks for that Nicola.
There are two possible mechanisms in play. Wolff and Patrone’s hypothesis
regarding the higher likelihood of the release of Potential energy at the
zenith point beneath the barycentre as the distance changes, and Ray Tomes
hypothesis concerning the relativistic effect on matter as it progresses from
the solar core to the surface.
By ‘longer’ I merely
meant longer than the few paragraphs he writes here.
He has good ideas but
they tend to be random one off thoughts rather than a closely written argument.
Let’s hope he takes the hint and produces something before too long.
…….. so did you
think any more about Vuk’s idea concerning the
Jupiter Saturn conjunctions towards the forward moving part of the heliopause?
About Vuk’s idea
concerning the Jupiter Saturn conjunctions towards the forward moving part of
the heliopause, as I said it is an interesting idea
that may well fit another idea that I add to explain the phenomenon. But I cannot talk about it now.
Hopefully, we will have
another occasion to discuss it extensively.